She Speaks | A Let Her Speak Podcast
She Speaks | A Let Her Speak Podcast
The Legacies We Leave Behind with Kirby Deal & Erika Biddix
As Women's History Month comes to an end this weekend, today we're sharing our final episode of Season 2 of the She Speaks Podcast, and we’re closing it out with some real talk about how important supporting other women in your community is as a leader.
In this final episode, we share a conversation between Let Her Lead established leader graduate, Kirby Deal, and her mentor, Erika Biddix. Both of these women are dynamic role models for other women leaders and have put so much into empowering others in their communities.
Some of the topics they cover include remembering that you are more than just your title, taking ownership of your human-ness outside of work and family, and what it means to leave behind a legacy — especially embracing the fact that they are leaving legacies that don't need to be compared to others.
At the end of this episode, Kirby shares her own personal legacy statement about how leaving a legacy is like “planting seeds in a garden you will never get to see.” She connects her favorite flowers to qualities that she wants to inspire in others in such a beautiful way. Be sure to listen all the way to the end of the episode. This quote from her legacy statement was one of our favorites!
About Season 2 of the She Speaks Podcast:
Throughout Season 2 we will be featuring the graduates and mentors/coaches in our first cohort of the Let Her Lead program. Each woman you will hear from throughout this season embarked on a 12-week journey in late 2023 to gain new skills and insights to become the leader SHE wants to be.
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You're listening to She Speaks, a Let Her Speak podcast that celebrates women's fearlessness, resiliency, and readiness to change the world. [music] Welcome back,
friends, to the She Speaks podcast. This is Catherine Porth, and I'm the founder of of Let Her Speak. If this is the first episode that you have listened to our podcast,
welcome. We are diving into conversations between the women who graduated from our Let Her Lead program, both aspiring and established leaders in their communities and the mentors and coaches that have been guiding them through their leadership journey along the way.
The two women that you'll be listening to today are Kirby Deal and Erika Biddix two dynamite, amazing women in their own right,
both doing so much work to support women in their communities, empowering women to lead the lives that they want to have. And funnily enough,
they actually really didn't have a whole lot of connection to each other. They knew each other before. the program, but they didn't really ever interact with each other too often until we matched them together.
And it just seemed like fate aligned for these two women to become mentor and mentees. In this conversation that you're about to hear, you'll be hearing a lot from Kirby about the journey that she's been on,
especially the journey of remembering that she is a whole human being outside of the titles that she has in her career and her work,
which is something that I think a lot of us struggle with is separating that our title is our title and we are a whole other human being with a lot of other complexities to us outside of what those titles are and that it's okay to be a full human being outside of those titles.
titles. They dive into what it means to both of them for the legacies that they are leaving behind and fully embracing the fact that they are leaving legacies.
And it's something that they need to be celebrating and something to really take ownership of and not shy away from. And in those legacies, they talk about the women in their lives that have left a mark on them.
and the legacies, those women left on them that therefore has come together to create the legacies that each of them are leaving behind. And you'll get more context about that in Kirby's legacy statement that you'll hear at the end of this episode.
So let's tune in and step into this conversation between Kirby and Erika. - I don't even know where to start.
I feel very like overwhelmed by how great this entire experience has been, just because I've gotten to meet like so many different incredible and powerful women.
And I think that's something that I was very much lacking, like something that I really needed in my life. And so I'm excited to, continue like just talking to you and learning more about you as we go and just building on this kind of like friendship that we've developed and go from there.
So I'm excited. - Yeah, it's funny because we knew each other's names, but we had not met officially over the course of years. - Yeah, I sat at your table at - - So we did meet - - No,
we met like, oh, hi, I'm - And you were like, hi, America. And then you started talking. And I was like, this woman's incredible. And you were talking about your business and how you've come to, you know, create this like community for women.
And I was just like, oh my God, she's like so cool. And then I did this program. And I also had some friends who had known you. And I was like, Erika's gonna be my coach.
And they all just like raved about it. And so that just kind of like built on the experience. And then we met and I was like, oh yeah, we vibe. You know, she's cool. Like we get along and it was perfect.
It was a perfect match. - That's funny because Catherine took great pride in the pairings that she did. - Yes. - And I really enjoyed listening to her talk about who she was pairing 'cause I heard a lot about that before I got paired,
right? So watching her have those pairings and why she was so excited about them. And I have spent, I've had you. your name come up to me a lot of times, apologies that I don't know we met at that table.
- It was very brief. There were a lot of people there. - But that would have been one of the times I heard your name, but your name had kept coming up. So when Catherine said, "Okay, and here's who I paired you with and I'm really excited. I think you guys are gonna work really well together." I was like,
yes, I feel like this has been coming. Like, this is something that's going to be happening. - Exactly, it's all been leading up to this. - It's all been leading me up to Kurt, if you will. - Yeah, this is our thing. - All right. I love it. - Meeting together, but I think to your point about your lacking women in community around you,
I did see that grow from the time we first met. - Absolutely. - And kind of your presentation's the wrong word, but just kind of your general,
I really am looking for more of that to the last time we chatted and you were like, "Yeah, the ladies, then they'll let you know." - Yeah. just as an outsider, seeing your growth and community and the community that surrounded you was really fun to watch.
- Yeah, it's been really wild, honestly. Like I think, and a lot of this, you know, has kind of been building. And then I think I just got into this program and started meeting with you.
And it was kind of like, I don't want to say everything fell into place because it was a lot of work. And it was a lot of, it was a lot of work and dedication on behalf of so many people but it was kind of like everything just started happening in terms of I started realizing a lot of things about myself that I had closed off for a long time or maybe not even acknowledged in a lot of ways and just the freedom
to say you know this is who I am this is who I want to be this is what I want out of life has been been a big changer for me, which is good. Do you think it has anything to...
Well, I think... Let me rephrase that question. You mentioned that coming into leadership as a relatively young person that you were kind of always working against that.
Yeah. Do you feel like you now are more open to talking about what has happened? which then, what impact is that making for you? - Yeah, I think that's a big part of it.
I think, you know, I was raised by Southern women and a very conservative, if you will,
community. And, you know, women didn't talk about hardships. Like women don't talk about struggles or, you know, if someone tells you to do something, you do it and you don't necessarily, ask questions or ask the why behind it.
And sometimes that causes conflict and that causes confrontation. And I think as women, or at least in my experience, we're taught to avoid that in a lot of ways. And it's something that I definitely,
I don't wanna confront anyone. I don't wanna be a person who has to cause conflict. But when you get into these leadership roles, sometimes that's necessary. And sometimes that... inevitable.
And it's something that this process has helped me become more comfortable with because I've been able to realize, even as a young woman, coming into these spaces of women who are much more accomplished than I am,
much more, you know, quote unquote, successful than I am, I still have a right to be there. And I still have a place to be there. And I've gotten to this place. through a lot of hard work and self -exploration,
and my ideas and what I have to say is vital, and I need to express that, and sometimes that causes that confrontation, sometimes it causes some mishaps,
but I have to do it anyway. And that's really what I've learned through this process, is it's gonna be hard, and it's gonna be hard. nasty sometimes, but you have to do it.
You have to speak up for yourself. You have to speak up for the people you represent. And that's been the biggest thing that I've, I don't want to say that I've learned because I feel like I always knew it, but this process and going through this program has helped me to better understand why I should keep going and continue to do that.
So that is definitely something we talked about. which is if you are saying this thing or if you are pushing back on this, it's not for your benefit,
it's not Kirby pushing back. It is Kirby pushing back because of the outcome that the organization you're leading is looking for. So how has that changed your mindset as some of those hard conversations sometimes happen in an organization?
- Yeah, I think it has changed. it's me having to separate myself from the position that I'm in. And remember who it is that I'm advocating for.
I work for a women's centric organization. I work for an organization that advocates for mostly low income women within East Tennessee. And... And, you know,
it's the interaction that I have with people day in and day out in my position is very different from just serving this group of women or this group of community members that we serve as an organization.
And so it's very easy, I think, to get lost in the role of going out into the community and kind of, you know, of being this person who's out and about and,
and I don't want to say hobnobbing because that's like a weird word to me. But yeah, representing or rubbing elbows with like people who are, um, you know,
who oftentimes have never been a part of these communities that we're serving. And it's very easy, I think, to kind of lose your identity. And, um, you know, I grew up. with a single mother.
She worked incredibly hard to provide for myself and my sister, you know, there were times we didn't have food or she would go without dinner because like my sister and I had to eat first and foremost and that was her priority.
And so to now be in this position of still advocating for young women who grew up a lot like I did, but in this position, kind of different social circles that represent a lot of wealth and a lot of a fluency.
Is that a word? I don't even... - Well, and influence. - Yeah, right. - Even better, there you go, and influence. And it's hard to kind of separate myself from that.
And so it's just taking a step back and really remembering, A, why I got into this job. B, why I do what I do, and C, who it is that we're representing and how we want to make an impact.
And so it's been really good to kind of remove myself from the role that I'm in to kind of remember that part of myself,
if that makes sense. - Yes, it does, thank you. - Thank you. - Okay, one of my favorite things when we-- chat it was we were talking about legacy and doing your legacy statement.
Yeah. And I asked a question and you kind of went on, you love you some Audrey Hepburn. Oh my gosh, I love Audrey Hepburn. I mentioned Audrey Hepburn in my legacy statement.
You are dressed like Audrey Hepburn at this moment. Thank you. Okay, so we were chatting about Audrey Hepburn and you know, you had a whole thing about her legacy. legacy. - I was obsessed with her.
- And then, which is-- - So am. - Great, perfect. But then I asked you about women in your life who maybe no one else has heard of, but if they have left a legacy.
So can you talk a little bit about that? What your thinking was as we had that conversation? - Yeah, I've always, you know, we've talked about women a lot, and I,
you know, I think growing up, you all-- had this idea of maybe like famous women or celebrities or, you know, they're so glamorous and they're so, you know, you want to be like that and you want to be rich and you want to be famous and you want to be all these things and get to wear cool clothes.
And so I think it's very easy to like idealize these women who you've never met. And I think when you start talking about a legacy statement or at least when we started talking about this process.
process, I was thinking for myself, I was like, wow, like, you know, who are these women I want to live up to? And then I was like, look at the women around you that you've had interaction with day in and day out.
And for me, that mostly like boils down to four women. And I guess, girl, my niece, my oldest niece, she's, gosh,
she's gonna be 14. So I guess she's a young woman, you know, and And so it was, who in my life have I had these daily interactions with that have really made me the person I am.
And so for me, that's Ronnie, who was my first boss when I was at Girls Inc many years ago and is now one of my best friends and someone who I talked to on a weekly basis.
And I'm planning a trip to Vermont to see her later in the year. And I'm so excited. And she just had such an impact on my life in so many ways, but she kind of first came to mind because she was,
you know, I think I spent more time with her than probably anyone else because we worked eight hours a day. I wasn't in a significant relationship at the time. And so I lived by myself, I would go home and I would do work and that was all I did.
And so really like in a lot of ways my life revolved around this relationship with Ronnie and it was a very positive relationship for me and she was just absolutely incredible and I love her to death and then the other women were all a part of my family so my niece that I mentioned who's 14,
she is a twin and her brother is incredible as well but I wanted this to be focused on young girls and women so um I have a snippet about Daisy and Daisy is just the essence of I think what I wanted to be when I was 14 and I feel like she would have been too cool for me you know what I mean like not in the sense that she's like snobby or anything like that but um I feel like if I was 14 and I went to
school with her I'd be like wow like I want to be friends with Daisy I want to be Daisy yeah she's so cool and she's but but than just being like the coolest kid, she's so kind and she's so just generous and loving,
but she's also very, and this is what I talk about in my legacy statement, she's very unafraid to be herself, which I think as a 14 year old can be incredibly scary to just like open yourself up to the world.
And it's something that I did not do when I was that age. And so I just really admire that about her and then her mother, my sister, Ashley, who is older than me,
we've, you know, an older sister relationship, I think is very complicated sometimes because sometimes you're like so envious of that person, but sometimes you're also so just like enamored with who they are as an individual.
And I think those two things can get complicated, but as I've gotten through it, older, I just see that my sister is maybe the strongest like physically and emotionally person I've ever known.
She like got me into fitness and stuff. So I always like joke about how strong she is. She's she's like a beast in like the best way possible. But um, she just she provided a lot of security for me.
me. You know, I was gonna say in my early 20s, but even growing up, you know, even it was just the two of us. And like I said, my mother was a single mother for a while. And when my mother married my stepdad,
he worked a lot and she worked a lot trying to provide for both of us. And so a lot of times it was just us. And she was always very protective of me and very provided that security that I think I needed a lot.
And then in my early 20s, 20s, you know, your early 20s are bad sometimes and you don't know what's going on. And she had already been through all of that. And so everything that I was going through,
she could kind of sympathize with and kind of help me through. And so that was amazing. And then my mother who is just the most incredible and loving woman in the entire world.
world, I think. And I have my best friend growing up. He would always joke about how nice my mom was. And he would say, I bet Kathy, that's my mom. I bet Kathy sleeps with a smile on her face. And so now we always talk about that.
We went on this trip once where we were on this big bus and my mom was taking an app and she was like legitimately smiling. And so we always joke about she's just the kindest person, but just so loving. And I think,
you know, know her love is the reason that I do what I do because I know that there are so many people who never had that or who never had someone to just love and care for them in the way that my mother loved and cared for me and it's a really fascinating thing I think to get to a point where I am now in my early 30s 30s,
in my adulthood, and look back and realize what a formative experience that was, you know, having that love and care from my mother.
And so those are just little snippets of what I want to give back to the world, hopefully. So I want to go back to where we were sitting at that table talking about Audrey. Yeah.
And then I said, "Okay, great. Great. What about people?" in your life who maybe no one has heard of? And I think I remember that taking you aback. You were kind of like, oh, crap.
I know. I was like, oh my god. Like, there's so much. And I think maybe you don't think about it, because it's always been there. And for me, it's kind of like-- I think I took probably those four women or those four relationships even more.
for granted because in some sense they were always there. You know, with my mother that was never wavering or my sister and then Daisy came along and it was just how it should be. And you know, Ronnie,
like I mentioned was my first boss and so I thought, you know, this is just how bosses are. This is how you interact with the people that you work with. And so to then have that conversation with you where it was like,
you know, forget these people, or not maybe forget, but aside from these people that you've never met, that you have no connection with whatsoever, now think about the actual relationships that you have and the actual connections that you have.
That was, yeah, like you said, it took me a back, but I think in the best way, because it made me realize that I had taken these relationships for granted at times, and it made me really think about the impact that they had truly had on me.
- Well, and I-- think too part of that conversation was you recognizing that your legacy, your ability to leave a legacy that you had maybe set the bar in such a place that was unattainable for you.
And so that was where your struggle was. So I think what I saw come out of that was you recognize that your ability to leave a legacy was different. - Yeah. - Yeah, not that you were lowering the bar.
the bar, but that you had always kind of measured yourself against what some would consider to be unattainable. - Definitely. - When in reality, you had examples all around you.
- Yeah, and it's interesting because I think I always wanted to be, I don't wanna say a person of influence because that sounds like super corny,
but I had always wanted to be this person that people knew and liked. like, you know, people look up to and people go to for advice and people say, oh, Kirby, you know, she knows everyone. She's very like well -connected and all these things.
And in some ways, I think that I have a lot of that. And it's not very fulfilling, you know, it's not something that keeps me going like day to day,
but then I was, I was, the process of writing this legacy statement and I was actually talking to my stepdad and I was like, "What do you think? Like, what do you think my legacy would be?" And he mentioned like a couple of family friends and he said,
"I think of the way that they light up when I say your name." And that's what I think that you've left behind. You know, it's not this person out in the community, it's this person who's been able to make these genuine connections with other people and That was very eye -opening for me because it you know personal relationships and the older I've gotten these relationships are more Evident in my life now,
but it's it's becoming for me all about this connection that you make with an individual and what can you leave behind with that individual person? You know,
if I can make that person happier or make that person feel more comfortable or you know, provide that sense of sort of relief,
that's kind of worth it to me. Like I think we were having a conversation one time and I said, you know, one of the things that I hope people say about me is that they never had to worry about me.
about having a meeting with me, or they never felt anxiety about sitting down and talking to me the way that I feel when I chat with so -and -so. And, you know-- - I think you said so that they can show up as themselves.
- Yes, yes. - That people always feel like they can show up as themselves with you. - Yeah, and that's enough for me. And I think that if I had thought about that maybe 10 years ago,
I wouldn't have acknowledged that. that that was enough, but now being the person that I am, that's what I want and that's enough for me. - Well, I just think that's lovely,
Kirby. - Thank you, thank you so much. It's been a journey to kind of get to this place because I think that I grew up feeling very,
I think separated from the community that I was in. And I grew up in a very small town. town. It was very conservative and I didn't identify with that. And so, you know,
the option of settling down and getting married at a young age and having kids, that was not really an option for me because I didn't identify with that. And so I thought, well,
then I have to go in the drastic opposite direction of becoming a, you know, workhorse and dedicating everything I have to my job.
And for a while, that was great. And then I met Hayden, who's now my partner and we have this life together. And it's, it's suddenly,
you know, it's not just me. It's another person that I have to consider and I take into account. And, and it's the relationship that I want to pour myself into. And so, um, you know,
I think it's a really big blessing to be at this point now in my life where I can balance the two and I don't have to worry about, you know,
being the most well -known person in a room. - Yeah. Well, and the other thing is I will say you showed up to our first meeting and you pulled out like, I don't know, seven notebooks and like 18 pens on the table and you were like,
okay, let's go. (laughs) That's not me in the summary. Because that, I mean, let's be clear, this has been a learning experience for me too. We've talked a lot about my business coaching style is very different than the setup of this program.
So that was fun for me to kind of get to play in that sandbox a little bit, right? And I was like, "I thought we were just going to chat, but she's going to, she wants it to do this." Yeah, what are we,
you know. to, when, so you walked in, you were kind of like, great, what's the to -do list? Let's just check this off and let, you know, that was just the initial setup. - Yeah. - And to the end where it's like,
oh, let me pull out my, I should probably take it, I should probably write that down. Let me, let me pull that back out, you know. So I think even just seeing that, because you and I don't interact professionally.
- Right. - Yeah. like really we have we have to make the opportunity to sit and chat right so we have not overlapped a lot at a lot of social events or community events etc.
So it's not like we are in a relate we're in a relationship where we knew day to day what was going on outside of maybe what was happening on Instagram and you teaching me how to cook right.
So it was I was very able to see the difference between between how you showed up at that first meeting and what your intent was, which was like, let's do the thing to the last part,
which was much more open and, um, more, more interested in the process of the learning. Absolutely. Yeah. And I think that's,
you put that perfectly, because I think even walking into that first meeting, my initial, you know, was, "What am I going to contribute to this?
How am I going to impress this person? How am I going to take down everything she says and then take that back and put it into a way that it makes sense for my life and all these things?" And that's fine,
but I think I came at it right. from the perspective of just like what I said like how am I going to impress this person and to me that was thinking right down every single thing that she says and write down you know take notes on what you should do tomorrow and all these things and and then it became a sense of I'm getting more out of this just talking and learning like really listening and learning from this
individual. And that's what this is about. Like that's the point of this, you know? And we went through this whole listening and communication section of our program and it was really eye -opening in a lot of ways because I learned a lot about myself and I use those techniques now in everyday life.
And it's really been incredible to see that kind of transformation in just a short amount of time. - Yeah, well, even just your general body language. You know, if you think about the first time you came in versus,
you know, the other, it was just really, it's the first time that I've had an in -person, like long, what we'll say long -term, 'cause what was it, six months?
- Yeah, or months, whatever. - Yeah, or the physical, I could see the physical transformation of a body language, right? right? And or comfort with who you were,
because it a little buttoned up the first go around. Back straight. Yeah, very rigid almost. To the much more comfortable,
not in your own skin, but just comfortable with who you were walking into the meeting as. And I think that's even what I said, I think on our at our first session. for the Let Her Lead program,
we talked about what do we wanna get from this experience. And I'm pretty sure I said something to the effect of, I want to feel like I can be a leader while still being my authentic self.
And I think that I've, I don't wanna say accomplish that because it's still a work in progress, but I think I've gotten a lot closer to what I view that as being. And I think that everything,
you just said kind of speaks to that because I am a lot more comfortable in myself now. And I think it shows. - And isn't that funny that that's what you're known for is people being able to show up like that with you?
- Yeah, it's almost that like giving, you know, like giving the same grace to yourself that you give to other people. And that's, I think for most women and is probably a very. very difficult thing,
and certainly for myself, but it's something that I've actively tried to work on in the last six months to a year, and it's paid off a lot, I think, in a lot of ways.
- All right, just for fun. - Yeah. - I love fun stuff. - Let's talk affirmations. - Yeah. - Oh, great. - The fun stuff. - Which is like so not my, I was like, listen, I am not a woo -woo affirmation.
- Yeah. I lean way more into the woo than the older I get, the more woo there is. But affirmations are not my normal thing, but we tried that with you.
And we were like, let's write some affirmations down. So tell us how that went. - It went really well. I am a lot like you in that sense.
I think that growing up I, I think it's the woo -woo thing, because isn't that part of like a some sort of strengths assessment? Like woo is like an actual attribute that you have in some sort of,
something, anyway. Well, we'll research that. But yeah. I have no idea, Catherine. Where are they? Where's woo? But it's funny because like growing up in my early 20s, social media was,
you know, Instagram specifically was becoming like the thing. And I remember all over Instagram you would see like woo woo girls and it would be girls who just like out of bar no woo you know and I was always like oh my god like I don't want to be like that you know and now I'm like why don't I want to be like that like they're just having fun and they're having you know what and so I think a lot like you as
I get older I'm leaning more into that part of myself but the actual affirmations are still hard and we practiced it I was having a potentially difficult meeting coming up and it was something that I was all right.
I think it was like a week before maybe that meeting took place and I was already feeling nervous and ejected and I'm gonna walk in this meeting and I'm just gonna get you know you know harsh feedback or whatever it might be.
be. And we just did this simple affirmation of, I'm intelligent, I am knowledgeable. I got to this position because of my hard work and experience and because of my knowledge.
And I took that over like a weekend and just really tried to, not necessarily in the mirror because that for some reason is harder. - That's a bridge too far.
- I was like, I can't look at myself. why I say this, but maybe one day. But just like even in moments of, you know, rest when I was just like on the couch or watching TV or reading a book, if I would pause,
like I would try to just kind of reiterate to myself like you are knowledgeable, you are smart, you are intelligent and, you know, those are things that you hear from other people. And I've always been like,
oh, they just say that because they like me or they're my friend or my family or whatever. And then you say it to yourself and it's like you finally start to believe it or at least that's what the experience was for me.
And so that is still a hard thing for me to do but it was really, it was a comforting experience almost like I felt not even more comfortable but I just felt comforted like from myself.
for maybe one of the the first times in a very long time. Well, and if anyone feels like maybe it just it got a little too We did write it on a white board. Yes.
So we did it was laid out. We did we did we did we did let ourselves do a very like Type A situation where we wrote, you know, we were like, yes, we will do we will say hard things out loud But also we'll just write it on a white board.
Yeah yes. 'Cause I am a little bit high bay. Yeah. In case you didn't notice. What else, what else, Kirby? This has been fun for me. I know, this is fun. I'm playing Turbo. I want to hear more about your trip to Europe,
because I have been thinking about it since you went back. Like, why don't I know when you are back? Well, I want to talk about your run, too. Oh, yes. Your race, too. Okay, so let's talk about both. both. Well,
you and Haven actually really are great examples of just traveling and slow travel, I think, what I perceive as slow travel, right? Yes. As we have talked about,
there's a lot of type A happening here. So generally, when my husband and I travel, we've got a very already set schedule. I mean, I have a travel agent, like, back -ish ground.
I'm a logistics manager. everything is planned and we didn't have time to do that before this trip and so this was a two -week trip to Europe for our 20th anniversary and we had an eight -hour layover in Philadelphia and we spent that eight hours in Philadelphia planning the trip.
Okay, I love that. So I'm talking like the eight hours on our way. So we, we looked up the museums, we wanted to see, we booked tickets, there were a lot of things we couldn't get tickets for. for because,
you know, we were almost there. It happens, yeah. And it was just the most relaxed, it was awesome. We just were there to enjoy, not to sightsee. So that was really nice.
And the amount of free space in my brain and what that meant for being able to think about family stuff and business stuff without having any of that to do in front of me was super great.
And then at the end of it, that was the biggest takeaway of my life. and I both were, we were excited to get back. Like we weren't, it was the first time we've traveled where our kids were more self -sustaining.
So we weren't going on vacation to get a break. We were going on vacation to hang out with each other. And then we chat it with our kids the whole time. Like we missed them significantly while we were gone and chat it with them and text it and kind of all of that.
we were really excited to get back to the end of it. So by the time we got back to the end of it, it was over, because 14 days is a long time, we were ready to get back to our kids. We were ready to, we were excited to get back to work and kind of launch the things we wanted to do. And I even said,
I wish the kids were out for another week, because we missed a lot of their holiday break, because we were traveling over there. I said, I wish they were out for another week. So we would have some time to hang out with them. And so I willed a blizzard into existence and sorry about Erika's responsible.
Sorry about that. Sorry about that. the snow. (laughing) - Okay, tell me about your race. - I love that. Well, first let me say, we missed all of the snow because we were traveling. - I know, you were on the beach.
- I think people were very jealous, but we also love the snow, and so we were kind of sad at first that we missed it, and then it was like Thursday, and people were still trapped in their homes, and I was like, "No, that can't be me." I'm very happy to hear that about your trip to Europe.
We went last. last October and we felt the exact same way. And that's funny because your trip of not having anything planned is like Haven's dream and my nightmare.
So like, and so I remember one day he was like, can we just take like a day and not plan anything and just walk around and like figure out what we want to do.
And I was like, yes, of course we can do that. And then it just like what you said, it ended up being like so freeing and just walking around and just walking around and just walking around and just walking around and just walking around and just walking around. just the most relaxing. Like I told him the other day I was like, I think that's the most relaxed I've ever been in my life.
And so it was wonderful. But yes, I am doing the covenant half marathon in April. Just, you know, no worries. Oh,
but my other race, you know, I didn't get to do it. - No. - Did we talk about this? - No. - Yeah. - Sorry, we haven't caught up. - Yeah, I ended up not getting to do it because of some scheduling issues.
But it's not trained for it. - Well, shit. - So I trained for a half marathon and then just never really got to do it, which is kind of upsetting. But so I'm very excited because now I'm doing the covenant half marathon in April.
So it's local, it's in Knoxville, so I'm excited about that. I've heard it's like super hard though. So... so it's up hills both ways. Yeah. Oh, great. That's fantastic. I knew it was hilly,
but it's just the one in, where is that? It's just one real bad one. Okay. But yeah, if you've trained on any of the hills, you're good to go. I haven't,
but that's fine. Add training on some of those. But I work with a really great nutrition coach who also does um, she runs marathons and she's a triathlete.
And so she puts together like a training program and, um, she told me that my training program that starts officially today is, um, like a step up from beginner.
And I was like, you have a little too much faith in me, but, um, I'm excited. So yeah, it'll be really good. I'm excited to actually like get to go through the process of running a half marathon this time as opposed to just training for one.
So. So it'll be a lot of fun though. I don't consider myself like an athlete or a runner or like anything like that,
but I do really enjoy the process of like fitness and health and like taking care of yourself. And I think with what I do working in nonprofits, which can often be very hectic and very time consuming,
it's good to kind of, of mark out those spaces for yourself where you can just kind of push everything to the side and only focus on what's happening in the moment. And that's what I do with like my fitness routine.
And so it's a form of like self -care, but also just really good for me mentally. And I love my gym and where I go. And there's a supportive group there and Haven's really supportive.
And so I'm excited. I'm excited for actually going through the entire process. process this time. - Well, and if you take that back to where you're talking about your first job, right, where you worked and then you went home and you worked 'cause you weren't doing anything else and that is a change that you've made over the years,
adding a relationship and recognizing the need for being an individual, et cetera. I mean, that's what this is, it's just supporting that idea. - Yeah, it's just, yeah, supporting that idea and like I said,
like, like doing what I want to do and being the person that I want to be apart from what I've always conceived or like expectations of me.
- Okay, so fun last question then I suppose. When I ran, I made grocery list in my head. What do you think about? - Wow, that sounds,
I'm not gonna try that but 'cause I do. don't think I could focus that long. I actually, I'm like a, I like to listen to things. So depending on the length of my run, I will listen to either music or an audio book.
So like if I'm doing just like, so today I'll start with four miles. So I'll probably listen to like a musical soundtrack, you know, or something that I know like all the words to so that I can kind of like sing in my head and like go from there.
But once I get to like, seven, eight, nine, eight, eight, nine mile runs, I'll probably listen to an audio book because I'm also a slower runner.
I'm not at the phase of being super speedy. And so if I like slow things down, I feel like an audio book is like a really good tempo for me. Like I can get invested in a story and not focus so much on the pain that I might be in.
- The pain. - The ability to burn. Exactly. Um, so yeah, so that's normally what I listen to. Okay. I like it. Yeah. So today I'm going to listen to six. That's going to be good. Oh, I was going to ask what musical.
I've already decided. Yeah. Have you seen Mean Girls, the musical, um, movie? No, but I want to see it. It's so good. Is it? Okay, good. I saw it on stage last year when it came to the Tennessee theater, but I really want to see the movie.
Yeah, the movie's very well done. Okay, good. Um, okay, I have one more marathon thing to say. Yeah. My kids are always. like, "Did you win?" And I was like, "Listen, I finished." - Which is a win. - I was like,
"I'm not racing, I'm just running." - Yeah, exactly. I love that. And you did win. - I did. - 'Cause you did it. - Proud of you. (gentle music) - Now that you've had an opportunity to learn about Kirby's leadership journey,
(gentle music) let's listen in as she shares the legacy she wants to leave behind. "Legacy.
What is a legacy? It's planting seeds in a garden you never get to see." A quote from the critically acclaimed musical Hamilton. "When I first began this vast project of determining my legacy,
this quote kept coming to mind. "Legacy. What is a legacy? It's planting seeds in a garden that you never get to see." The words from the musical Hamilton proved powerful while singing them in my car,
but when applied to my own life, made my own legacy seem insufficient. How does one compare to the legacy of someone like Alexander Hamilton, or to the individuals that I would desire to be compared to?
Women like Audrey Hepburn or Michelle Obama. My life and what I hope to leave behind could hardly compare to the groundbreaking work of so many. But then I thought,
why does it have to? While these women that I've always aspired to be like have had revolutionary work in the world and are certainly to be admired, I have had my own set of powerful women that,
for me, rival any celebrity, activist, or humanitarian. Because these are the women that I've always aspired to be. the women who built me, the women who encouraged me, the women who helped me build my legacy.
So what does my legacy look like? What will be in my garden? And what will it produce despite my never getting to see its beauty? Sunflowers. When I was in the fifth grade,
I got a packet of sunflower seeds from my school and became obsessed with the thought of having my sunflower garden. However, I do not have a green thumb. but sunflowers are strong and resilient. They also represent loyalty,
faithfulness, and warmth. They always point and reach for the bright light. And so for me, my sunflower is Ronnie. My first real big girl boss and my first real big girl job.
Ronnie taught me how to be strong and resilient like the sunflowers I've always wanted. She taught me how to withstand storms, both big and small. small, and to always reach for the light. She has helped me in countless ways,
not the least of which is by helping me realize what I am capable of and how to be a leader in my community. Through Ronnie, I can create my legacy of providing mentorship,
guidance, and support to a new generation of young women entering a sometimes very scary world. Also in my garden, daisies. For my daisies. My oldest niece that allows me to see the world through her eyes.
Daisy's represent innocence and childhood and for me never losing sight of fun and play. I've learned this from Daisy. Growing up, I took my childhood and teenage years so seriously,
never allowing anyone to see the parts of me that I saw as imperfect. But Daisy showed me how to see the world with fun, laughter and enjoyment. She has. She is open with her hugs and laughter and has taught me to be so as well.
Through my legacy, I will leave a stream of daisies in my wake as I sing, dance, twirl, and live through the childlike wonder of life. Blue hyacinths will be in my garden.
This flower serves as a beautiful reminder of consistency, something I desperately needed and received from my sister Ashley in my early 20s when my anxiety and depression made me feel like I was growing up.
was spinning out of control. During one of the darkest periods of my life, my sister would text me at 6 a .m. every morning because she knew that it made me feel better. She would invite me to stay at her house,
play with her children, and stay for the weekend because she knew it was easier to be in a supportive and loving space than alone with my thoughts. She provided a consistency that got me through and helped me to see that my legacy is in turn -- using my mental health.
struggles and voicing my experiences to help others. And the final flower in my garden will be red roses, the most obvious symbol of love for the most loving person in my life,
my mother. I think a lot of us take for granted the love of a mother and it's something that I have never gone without, but something that was threatened in my teenage years. When I was 16, my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer.
We were all very scared, but my mother's first and and swift response to everything was an outpouring of love. Loving each member of our family and teaching us to do the same with our community. Love those who are hurting and struggling,
while also loving those who are near and dear to our hearts. She showed that mother's love to not only me and my sister, but also all of our friends, especially my best friend Zachary, who needed a motherly figure.
She taught us all to love by showering us with love. love, and it's a lesson that I know we have all carried with us. And for me, it's made me the person I am today. I know for certain that I wouldn't be here without my mother's love,
and that is the legacy that I hope to leave with my family, friends, and community. So what does my garden look like? What is my legacy that I will never get to see? It's strength and resilience,
childlike wonder, consistency, and love. As a daughter of a child, mother, brother, husband, community member, etc., you are planting seeds that you will never see, but will make a lasting impact.
What will your seeds grow into? What will your legacy be? This episode of She Speaks is brought to you by our amazing partners at Shod Companies.
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